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    Re: traders page

    well thats cleared that up.
    so if there is not to be a fee how about a donation ? i feel the club should benefit from advertising in some way. i dont mean for the one off sale but for example me with AW11 Autos. I would hope to get some business from the site so should put something back. Could we not have a simple paypal payment. i dont want a rigid structure like imoc but as Lauren says the server costs money. IMOC use the affiliates to pay this we have a membership fee but the more of the membership money that can be used for the club events and improvements the better.
    Just my 1p`s worth.
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    Committee,

    Possibly a re-think on this one guys, Lauren has some extremely valid points here and we did mention that the Club ought to be run more like a business. Its going to take a few years to financially get the club where we want it to be to then be in a position to invest and put back into the club, increasing funds.

    I like Kev's ideas about paying into the Clubs Paypal account, doesn't have to be much but it will all help in the end.

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    To carry on from what Mike has said, I think the biggest problem with traders is that in the event of a dispute say where legal action is threatened, the committee members are each liable for up to £15K. IMOC has been in this position and as i'm sure you'll agree we are all volunteers who receive no recompense for our efforts, the last thing you want is to be liable for up to £15K.

    This is why IMOC became a limited company in order to protect committee members from being liable. The problem is with this is that it took us the best part of a year to get all the legal stuff sorted out and our terms and conditions etc ratified. Also if you become a limited company then there are accounts that need to sorted so you have other fees as well as liability insurance etc. The costs do seriously mount up and really without us receiving affiliate fees there is no way we could have done it.

    I guess what you need to think about is where you want to take the mk1 club to in the future and in some respects the earlier you can get such important things in place the less rocky the ride will be. I must admit on IMOC we found out the hard way to an extent but have since acted appropriately albeit at the expense of developing other aspects of the club.

    Anyways this is all getting deep a bit quickly, but i'm happy to offer advice and hope it's at least of some use.

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    Lauren,

    Wonderful advice, guys this needs to be addresed and we need to ensure Stuart is fully aware about the potential pitfalls mentioned above.

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    thats brilliant Lauren, your experience will be invaluable. I never knew this would all come out with a simple question.
    my first thought is why cant the club have a signed disclaimer from every advertiser accepting responsibility ? could this not be legally drawn up ?
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    Yep, cheers Lauren, your experience is vital, weve all waited years for this to happen, what we dont need now is for anyone to ruin that for the masses. Jinx

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    Re: traders page

    Quote Originally Posted by crazylegs
    thats brilliant Lauren, your experience will be invaluable. I never knew this would all come out with a simple question.
    my first thought is why cant the club have a signed disclaimer from every advertiser accepting responsibility ? could this not be legally drawn up ?
    You could try I guess, but disclaimers are not really up to much when it comes down to it and each committee member would still be liable.

    Trouble is getting anything done through solicitors costs a fortune, so when you weigh it up it's not that much more to go the whole hog really and get it done properly.

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    Bloody hell Lauren, seriously, thanks for flagging this.

    I guess in todays world we cant rely on the good honour of people that want to work with the Mk1 Club and the last thing we need is being liable for 15k - thats like a weeks wage for Mik Sheavill's and he cant afford to lose that!!

    We need to get this looked into.

    Do we need a legal secretary?

    (no pervy jokes please! leave them to me!)

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    I may be being naive but how can an advert cause the club to be liable. Is the Yellow Pages liable for every entry? Surely if I take a job from a customer I am liable. The club has no way of vetting my work. As I say maybe in this mad world I am still in the dark ages.
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    Re: traders page

    Quote Originally Posted by crazylegs
    I may be being naive but how can an advert cause the club to be liable. Is the Yellow Pages liable for every entry? Surely if I take a job from a customer I am liable. The club has no way of vetting my work. As I say maybe in this mad world I am still in the dark ages.
    It's not an issue with an advert, it's when you get into a dispute with a trader and they start using underhand tactics and then make legal threats as a result. We had a trader who PM'd members stating how poor other trader's work was etc.. When we wanted to get rid of said trader as there was no way we could let this carry on. We then received legal threats.

    Another trader who would not pay up affiliate fees despite obviously trading got his knickers in a twist when we opted to ban him. He made legal threats but fortunately by this time we had our terms and conditions in place resulting in him not having a leg to stand on. So sometimes it's about being able to get rid of rogue traders knowing full well that if they sought legal advice they'd be advised that they have no comeback.

    You don't need a 'legal secretary' Wayne. You just need someone from the committe to look into the necessary implications and maybe make moves into becoming a limited company and get a proper terms and conditions drawn up and approved by your solicitor.

    As far as trading goes, this forum is new, but we started to realise that as IMOC grew we were leaving ourselves open (both personally and financially) to potential abuse from problem traders.

    I would say though that the costs involved would blow your kitty at the moment, so you are in a position where potentially it is a bit of a concern, maybe not now but say in a years time, so I would discuss and at least try and be prepared for it if you possibly can.

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