breaking feam!!!!!!!hi

I bought feam from pistol pete to fix my crash damaged front end! which damaged the f bumper, f wing, bonnet, headlight, & the corner panels that the headlights bolt to which I cut out of feam to repair mine! the main parts for sale r a pair of super light fibre glass doors with poly windows £138, fibre glass front bumper £88 which I was going to use but in the end I bought a std f bumper, f wing, & headlight from paul sims & all in the same colour as mine! fibre glass rear engine lid £58, fibre glass rear boot lid £58, fibre glass rear bumper £38, all the big parts r collection from Croydon or u can arrange ur own courier & please ask for any other parts for sale!

Mate how much for all the fibreglass stuff as a package deal??


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Hi m8 the best i can do is 10% off as the parts r already very cheap & rare, i doubt u will find another set in the uk again! I even had someone in america wanting to buy them but the shipping costs were to much @ over £1000. Ps. Ive also got a pair of used fibre glass front wings £80 from feam which i was also going to use but found a original used nearside f wing & cost me £250 from paul sims

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Hi m8 the best i can do is 10% off as the parts r already very cheap & rare, i doubt u will find another set in the uk again! I even had someone in america wanting to buy them but the shipping costs were to much @ over £1000

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I make that £342?

Shake on 320 and I'll get the cash paypal'd over to you now.

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Hi m8 the best i can do is 10% off as the parts r already very cheap & rare, i doubt u will find another set in the uk again! I even had someone in america wanting to buy them but the shipping costs were to much @ over £1000. Ps. Ive also got a pair of used fibre glass front wings £80 from feam which i was also going to use but found a original used nearside f wing & cost me £250 from paul sims

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Make it a nice round £400 for the wings too?

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Hi m8 its a deal , r collecting or r u arranging ur own courier? Ps. there r pics of the parts on my ebay acc kityibabe & video of the car from when pistol pete had it under mr2 for sale section!

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Hi m8 its a deal , r collecting or r u arranging ur own courier? Ps. there r pics of the parts on my ebay acc kityibabe & video of the car from when pistol pete had it under mr2 for sale!

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We'll be collecting. My brother drives up to N Wales pretty often so we'll try and work it into a trip up there.

DM me your email and I'll hook you up with some cash. Unless you would prefer real money on collection?

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We'll be collecting. My brother drives up to N Wales pretty often so we'll try and work it into a trip up there.

DM me your email and I'll hook you up with some cash. Unless you would prefer real money on collection?

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hi m8 cash on collection please to avoid the deaded paypal fees, & im in Croydon surrey, kityileung@Hotmail.co.uk 07894 707535 cheers

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hi m8 cash on collection please to avoid the deaded paypal fees, & im in Croydon surrey, kityileung@Hotmail.co.uk 07894 707535 cheers

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Great,

How does Friday sound? He can get there for about 2:30


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I don't think you can use fibreglass doors on your car in MSA rallies these days. The MSA tightened up on the regulations in I think 2011. Catagoty 1 cars (derived from production or past production cars) have to have doors made from the same material as standard ie steel in this case. These changes meant that many of the well known clubmans cars were no longer able to get a rally log book.

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I don't think you can use fibreglass doors on your car in MSA rallies these days. The MSA tightened up on the regulations in I think 2011. Catagoty 1 cars (derived from production or past production cars) have to have doors made from the same material as standard ie steel in this case. These changes meant that many of the well known clubmans cars were no longer able to get a rally log book.

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Hmm, Thanks for that B4' I'll look into it. I'll probably take them anyway though

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Hi donesy the doors & rear bumper r still on the mr2 @ my friends driveway about 30 miles in romford essex but the front bumper, front wings, rear engine & boot lid r with me in croydon surrey! So if u want the doors & rear bumper let me know today as i have to collect them! Or if just want the other parts u can collect them from croydon cheers

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Hi donesy the doors & rear bumper r still on the mr2 @ my friends driveway about 30 miles in romford essex but the front bumper, front wings, rear engine & boot lid r with me in croydon surrey! So if u want the doors & rear bumper let me know today as i have to collect them! Or if just want the other parts u can collect them from croydon cheers

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we'll take the lot mate but we're not in a rush for it. My bro will be working 4-on 4-off between Cornwall and Essex as of next month so there will be loads of opportunities to collect. don't trouble yourself today if it's a pain

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I don't think you can use fibreglass doors on your car in MSA rallies these days. The MSA tightened up on the regulations in I think 2011. Catagoty 1 cars (derived from production or past production cars) have to have doors made from the same material as standard ie steel in this case. These changes meant that many of the well known clubmans cars were no longer able to get a rally log book.

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Good knowledge!

2018 Blue book

46.3.9. Doors and windscreen must remain in the
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we'll take the lot mate but we're not in a rush for it. My bro will be working 4-on 4-off between Cornwall and Essex as of next month so there will be loads of opportunities to collect. don't trouble yourself today if it's a pain

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hi m8 great just wanted to make sure u wanted the doors! I will pick them up today & have them ready for u 2.30pm this Friday so I don't have relist them on ebay! ps. can u text me ur mob no. & email please

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Good knowledge!

2018 Blue book

46.3.9. Doors and windscreen must remain in the
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Yes sadly these rule changes lead to the banning of several well nown cars that no longer conform, most notable Andy Burtons Peugot 306 special that was almost a space frame WRC car based on a 306 with ice racing bodywork and a full house Cosworth engine and 4 wheel drive. look up the on going discussions on Google) .

There are a few Mr2's used in club rallying though AW11rally has a very well known example and Im have seen another from a garage in Wigan but have no details. There is also a big winged version down south that appears iun a youtube clip (cannot remember which one though)

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Yes sadly these rule changes lead to the banning of several well nown cars that no longer conform, most notable Andy Burtons Peugot 306 special that was almost a space frame WRC car based on a 306 with ice racing bodywork and a full house Cosworth engine and 4 wheel drive. look up the on going discussions on Google) .

There are a few Mr2's used in club rallying though AW11rally has a very well known example and Im have seen another from a garage in Wigan but have no details. There is also a big winged version down south that appears iun a youtube clip (cannot remember which one though)

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Yes sadly these rule changes lead to the banning of several well nown cars that no longer conform, most notable Andy Burtons Peugot 306 special that was almost a space frame WRC car based on a 306 with ice racing bodywork and a full house Cosworth engine and 4 wheel drive. look up the on going discussions on Google) .

There are a few Mr2's used in club rallying though AW11rally has a very well known example and Im have seen another from a garage in Wigan but have no details. There is also a big winged version down south that appears iun a youtube clip (cannot remember which one though)

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That Peugeot is a monster!! How come they couldn't just put some steel doors on it? Ive been talking to AW11Rally a bit he's a super nice guy. Do you know of anyone competing one on gravel stages?

Andy Burtons 306, what a machine.
The days of seeing that on the Sunseeker Rally were amazing, the sound of that engine echoing through the forest was a petrol heads dream.

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Andy Burtons 306, what a machine.
The days of seeing that on the Sunseeker Rally were amazing, the sound of that engine echoing through the forest was a petrol heads dream.

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Look up his Alfa Ferrari the previous car a space framed Alfa Sud coupe with a Ferrari 308 engine and gearbox an 037 group b type car before its time. There was a full write up about this car in Car and Car Conversions.

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It is the fact that it has a partial space frame that is the issue, for insurance sake the MSA descided that amateur constructures could not design and make special cars safe enough to endure the rigures of stage rallying. Also banned motorbike engined cars at the same time.

As far as I know no one in the UK has used an MR2 on gravel rallies probably because the suspension travel is a bit too short. However in the US there is a guy called Yoshi who runs Matrix garage and he has collaborated with a couple of suspension companies to make longer travel coil over shocks they are not cheap though. Look up Matrix garage and brows his stuff.

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It is the fact that it has a partial space frame that is the issue, for insurance sake the MSA descided that amateur constructures could not design and make special cars safe enough to endure the rigures of stage rallying. Also banned motorbike engined cars at the same time.

As far as I know no one in the UK has used an MR2 on gravel rallies probably because the suspension travel is a bit too short. However in the US there is a guy called Yoshi who runs Matrix garage and he has collaborated with a couple of suspension companies to make longer travel coil over shocks they are not cheap though. Look up Matrix garage and brows his stuff.

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I can't seem to find much in the way of pictures of yoshi's car but when we first came up with the idea I found a guy in Finland who runs an RX one with a Honda K20. Really nice build, looks like a very quick car. He got loads of videos on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/ukir85

And a gravel stage crew in the states using some sort of turbo set up. Also on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/user/Zodowcom

Suspension-wise, We’re currently thinking we’ll have to scratch build all the bottom arms and use escort stuff with custom ‘ears’ to suit our hubs. Eccentric bearing top-mounts.

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I can't seem to find much in the way of pictures of yoshi's car but when we first came up with the idea I found a guy in Finland who runs an RX one with a Honda K20. Really nice build, looks like a very quick car. He got loads of videos on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/ukir85

And a gravel stage crew in the states using some sort of turbo set up. Also on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/user/Zodowcom

Suspension-wise, We’re currently thinking we’ll have to scratch build all the bottom arms and use escort stuff with custom ‘ears’ to suit our hubs. Eccentric bearing top-mounts.

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I would not consider a turbo engine for a UK Mr2 rally car as this puts you in the same class as the 4 wheel drive WRC cars and the like that are widely used these days. Even on the smallest club event.

Stick with a 1600 engine which is still a hotly contested class or if you want to go 2000 but then you would be up against the Mk2 Escort boys who build some crazy monster machines.

Many years ago before the WRC cars (hence my screen name) I did some single stage events mostly tarmac in a variety of cars Mk1 Escorts a Lotus Sunbeam and a Porsche 911. However when I got to the point of destroying a set of tyres on each event just to stay competetive I gave up.

As far as suspension goes look at Techno Toy Tuning in the links below.

https://technotoytuning.com/toyota/a...-rods-aw11-mr2

https://technotoytuning.com/toyota/a...-1989-aw11-mr2

Also talk to AW11rally as he has a similar setup on his car with adjustable length TCA's etc.

His car was built by a guy I think called Steve Woodcock and the suspension parts were developed by a firm called Trans Sport I think based in Preston.
Unfortunatly they went out of business some time ago.

A further note on the use of fibreglass doors, There are as far as I know only a handfull of cars that can use them, these being the Lotus Elise/Exige the Vauxhall vx220 - fibreglass body shell and classed as production cars and all the variations of the Darrien range. The Darrien is classed as a specialist vehicle and the rules behind this would take up a thread of their own to explain.

Also have you seen this 222d replica build on Facebook www.facebook.com/TTE222D/
again not eligible for a logbook under current MSA rules as it has too much of the bodywork removed and the suspension pickup points have been moved.

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I would not consider a turbo engine for a UK Mr2 rally car as this puts you in the same class as the 4 wheel drive WRC cars and the like that are widely used these days. Even on the smallest club event.

Stick with a 1600 engine which is still a hotly contested class or if you want to go 2000 but then you would be up against the Mk2 Escort boys who build some crazy monster machines.

Many years ago before the WRC cars (hence my screen name) I did some single stage events mostly tarmac in a variety of cars Mk1 Escorts a Lotus Sunbeam and a Porsche 911. However when I got to the point of destroying a set of tyres on each event just to stay competetive I gave up.

As far as suspension goes look at Techno Toy Tuning in the links below.

https://technotoytuning.com/toyota/a...-rods-aw11-mr2

https://technotoytuning.com/toyota/a...-1989-aw11-mr2

Also talk to AW11rally as he has a similar setup on his car with adjustable length TCA's etc.

His car was built by a guy I think called Steve Woodcock and the suspension parts were developed by a firm called Trans Sport I think based in Preston.
Unfortunatly they went out of business some time ago.

A further note on the use of fibreglass doors, There are as far as I know only a handfull of cars that can use them, these being the Lotus Elise/Exige the Vauxhall vx220 - fibreglass body shell and classed as production cars and all the variations of the Darrien range. The Darrien is classed as a specialist vehicle and the rules behind this would take up a thread of their own to explain.

Also have you seen this 222d replica build on Facebook www.facebook.com/TTE222D/
again not eligible for a logbook under current MSA rules as it has too much of the bodywork removed and the suspension pickup points have been moved.

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Yeah i found the 222D guy. Big project that one! I love it when people do stuff like that but i think you build a car that would be just as competetive without all the surgery.

I also found these guys in Estonia who have built probably the most viable AW11 gravel car I've seen yet. It's a converted Ice racer but it seems to go pretty well and looks awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOtOOjr277c

https://petrolicious.com/articles/to...nian-rally-car

Your dead right on engine choice, that's exactly what we were thinking. Find our feet with the 4age for a year or two and then up the CC's but stay naturally aspirated for exactly the reasons you've stated.

I had a little email exchange with the guy who runs TTT sussing out some parts but I think I've decided we will need to make everything from scratch. it's way cheaper and with the static ride height we're trying achieve anything close to a stock length TCA just pulls the camber really positive.

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Yeah i found the 222D guy. Big project that one! I love it when people do stuff like that but i think you build a car that would be just as competetive without all the surgery.

I also found these guys in Estonia who have built probably the most viable AW11 gravel car I've seen yet. It's a converted Ice racer but it seems to go pretty well and looks awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOtOOjr277c

https://petrolicious.com/articles/to...nian-rally-car

Your dead right on engine choice, that's exactly what we were thinking. Find our feet with the 4age for a year or two and then up the CC's but stay naturally aspirated for exactly the reasons you've stated.

I had a little email exchange with the guy who runs TTT sussing out some parts but I think I've decided we will need to make everything from scratch. it's way cheaper and with the static ride height we're trying achieve anything close to a stock length TCA just pulls the camber really positive.

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If you are contemplating building your own suspension arms remember that the pickup points on the body shell cannot be radically changed from standard under the current MSA production car rules.
Adjustable camber plates are OK but the mounting holes for these plates can’t be moved much.
We used to elongate the mounting holes on the MK2 Escorts and weld a strengthening plate over the top when we used the adjustable TCAs just to bring the camber back into line. However this was back in the day and I don’t think it would be allowed now.
Also speak to Paul Woods about the possibility of using a supported shaft with rather than the usual long and short shafts that a MK1 uses. He was trying to make this possible with the 6 speed gearbox he was building. I think the issue was that the shaft length between the drive shaft coupling and the splinned ends was too long on the MK1 shaft and he was looking for other possibilities.
AW11rally used an Exige box and shafts but these needed a lot of modifications to make work.
I only mention this because the standard long and short shafts create torque steer at the rear and a supported shaft would prevent this.

How much for an interior light door switch on passenger side please?

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If you are contemplating building your own suspension arms remember that the pickup points on the body shell cannot be radically changed from standard under the current MSA production car rules.
Adjustable camber plates are OK but the mounting holes for these plates can’t be moved much.
We used to elongate the mounting holes on the MK2 Escorts and weld a strengthening plate over the top when we used the adjustable TCAs just to bring the camber back into line. However this was back in the day and I don’t think it would be allowed now.

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Right, That was basically our plan almost exactly. Weld a plate over the top of the old turret with new holes for eccentric top mounts.

So we have to use the holes for the original top mounts exactly as they are? I don't even think they are on the same PCD as each other!

We don't plan to change the bottom pick-up's at all just brace them up a bit and use longer arms.

I've emailed the local scrutineer 3 times now to see if we can get him round for chat but he never gets back to me. I'm a paid up member of a MSA club. One of the guys who's doing our engine work rallys a BDG engined escort so hopefully he can steer us towards the right people to talk to.

I think we'll have to live with a little bit for torque steer for a while. I don't think the puny little 4age will be too bad for it anyway and there's no rubber in our suspension whatsoever which will certainly help. Something to consider when we do the engine swap for sure though