V6 MR2 CONVERSION
Project MR6: A 3.0ltr 24valve V6 MK1
Foreword:-
Why would anyone want to build a horrendously powerful 3s-gte equipped MK1
turbo and then go looking for more??? It simply doesn’t make sense, and I'd be
the first person to admit that I'm probably a few sockets short of a toolbox but
working on and modifying the MK1 is what makes me tick. So with that question
about my sanity out of the way lets continue...
The engine I'm going to try to fit to a MK1 is again a big brother Toyota
unit and its from the Camry. It’s a huge 3.0ltr 24 valve quad cam V6, that’s
right 4 camshafts! Its not about building a very powerful sports car, although
that is reason enough, its loosely based on the Everest theory. Dare to ask Sir
Edmund Hillary why he climbed that big snowy hill and I'm sure he would reply
that it wasn’t to get away from the wife for a bit! Its simply a case of its
there, it might be possible, it’ll be a real challenge, so lets try! There's a
few guys like me around the world who live for modifying or putting silly
engines into our cars and in the MR2 world there's none better than these two
chaps - Mr. Bill Strong and Brad Bedell from the States. Bill is installing a
Cadillac Northstar V8 to a MK1 (details on the northstar V8 engine here: http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2002/09/05/146931.html?NEWS
), nicknamed the “Toystar” it promises to be one of the most unique and highly
modified MK1s on the planet, check out Bill's amazing project here: www.racingstrong.com/toystar/index.asp
Mr. Brad Bedell is a veteran at the V6 into MK2 swap having completed two
such beasts, his projects are a valuable resource for my swap and well worth a
read. His FAQ section more or less answers every V6 related question you need to
know http://bedellracing.home.comcast.net/v6/V6FAQ.html
and pictures of his amazing MR2s are here http://bedellracing.home.comcast.net/
nearly all of Brad's info is common between the MK1 and MK2 apart from final
wiring, so this will be a valuable resource.
One of Brads MK2 V6 swaps completed, this is what I'm aiming for in a MK1
bay.
As with any project like this, the end result is not about 0-60 times or
creating a drag strip weapon but just to say I've squeezed a really big engine
into a very small space and the enjoyment in trying to do that and overcoming
all of the problems along the way is what makes it all the more worthwhile. My
V6 MK1 project has been dubbed the MK1 MR6 for obvious reasons. So with the
above clearly justifying a reason to do this huge project (very tongue in cheek)
- lets begin.
Preparation:-
Just like the MK1 turbo swap I began research into this project not long
after the engine lid was shut on the MK1.5, what can I say, I need a project.
Its taken over a year of in depth foraging around the internet and reading every
single forum I can to collect as much information as possible. Once again I've
got pages of wiring diagrams, photos and schematics of just about everything.
Here is my donor car - this engine is as powerful as the 3s-gte used in the
MK1.5 but with buckets more torque right from the moment the throttle is
touched. Reliability is totally uncompromised with this engine whereas the
3s-gte has a tendency to break now and then and in my opinion is plagued with
faults, not Toyotas usual high standard of engine if you ask me. Imagine how
this V6 shifts a big 2 ton Camry along to 150mph without breaking a sweat - now
imagine that same powerplant in a lightweight MK1 - lovely stuff!
Originally I had planned to use a 1MZ-FE engine from a '94+ Camry but the
cost of one and their availability made it easier to get my hands on the 93
model 3VZ-FE, its heavier than the 1MZ and has a slightly different ignition
system (mine has a dizzy set up whereas the 1MZ has a one coil per cylinder
distributorless design). The above picture was taken from my new purchase, I
bought the vehicle from the local salvage auctions for - and get this! - £100!
Yep the whole car for a hundred quid, its only damage was a broken headlight and
damaged wing and would have taken very little to put it back on the road, but
that was not to be its destiny. This thing came fully loaded, full leather, ABS,
power steering, electric everything, cruise control, air con, the works! Shame
to chop it all up, ah well! Its all in a good cause! To add to the ridiculous
price of this vehicle (I really should complain) it started straight up and
drove back to the garage, it came with ¾ of a tank of petrol too! Around £35
worth I reckon. I've since sold the four new Continental tyres it was sitting on
for £50 and a few bits and pieces to a local chap for a tenner, so this big V6
engine now stands me at £5, laughable! Its at this point I should say that the
bargain price will soon escalate upwards once I start looking for all of the
other bits and bobs to make the project come together.
I need to find a MK2 turbo gearbox, a manual Camry V6 flywheel, a MK2 turbo
clutch (I found out during the 1.5 swap that a GT4 clutch works well at half the
cost so this will do), MK2 turbo drive shafts, a pair of MK1 Supercharger or
Celica st165/185 outer CV joints and some form of exhaust system. Um, I'm
forgetting something I just know I am??????? Oh yes! A MK1 MR2 to actually fit
this into!!! Not to mention the brake and suspension upgrade that must follow to
cope with a V6 sitting in it. All of that shopping list is going to cost a fair
bit but I've got a great head start!
The project begins:- Day 1 - 5/03/04
I must have spent a full day just playing with the engine revving it up and
listening to that awesome V6 growl, the sound of this V6 engine is absolute
perfection and there's simply no substitute for more cylinders and displacement
when it comes to getting an engine to sound like this, makes my turbo sound like
a lawnmower engine. Anyway enough drooling, it can't stay in that engine bay any
longer!
The very first thing I've got to do is reduce the Camry donor vehicle to the
base of its parts, I've got to get the whole engine and automatic transmission
out of that bay while retaining all of the ancillaries, the wiring harness and
every conceivable part I might need before the car is sent to the big Toyota
dealership in the sky. A lot of the engine stuff was chopped through or binned
as I really don’t need it, such as power steering pipes, air con, cruise control
etc. In all it took over 8 hours just to safely remove the ancillaries and
wiring harness from the engine bay before I even began to lift it out, probably
one of the most difficult engines I think I've ever removed.
Here it is with almost everything detached, still looks pretty complete, what
a lovely looking engine though.
After another few hours I'd removed the bonnet, unbolted the drive shafts,
exhaust and any remaining engine mounts and strapped the engine hoist to the V6
and began to lift. Sorry Toyota but I do believe this engine is in the wrong
car!
It's at times like these I really feel sorry for Toyota mechanics, I can't
imagine having to take a Camry engine out day in day out for a living. To say it
was tight coming out of the bay is an understatement, there was about ¼ of an
inch either side and I had to bend various pipes out of the way and rotate the
engine a bit to get it clear. It has to be said that most of the trouble was
caused by the huge automatic gearbox rather than the engine, which is actually
quite short (only 3 cylinders wide). I will leave out the next sentence I said
as it contains much swearing and obscenities but basically not long after the
whole engine and transmission was clear of the car.
Note MK1s looking on with interest! The red ones saying “you’re not bringing
that anywhere near me!” and the blue ones saying “please let it be me, please
let it be me!” OK maybe my imagination has been doing overtime. Look at the size
of that gearbox. Next step was to get that off my lovely V6 and throw it away. A
short while later and the auto was off just leaving me with the engine, I have
to say it looks a lot smaller and more compact on its own.
Here you can see the auto flywheel, the torque converter was bolted onto this
which must have weighed 20 kgs easily. I now have to remove this flywheel and
fit a flywheel from either a post 97 V6 Camry or a late model US spec Toyota
Solara so that I have something to fasten a clutch onto, both flywheels will
bolt straight onto my 3vz-fe engine. The third option is to have a flywheel
custom made, which is currently being done to a friend of mines MK2 V6
conversion.
To get this engine mated to the wheels is fairly straight forward, as it
happens an E-153 MK2 turbo gearbox will bolt straight onto this engine. The
gearbox won't match up with all of the bolt holes but it will hit most of them
and I've been informed by several chaps in the US that it gets enough hold on
the holes it does line up with. The fact that the MK2 turbo box does bolt on
makes life a lot easier, as you know my MK1 turbo has the very same gearbox in
it with MK2 turbo drive shafts and MK1 Supercharger outer CV joints allowing it
to fit the rear hubs so I know its all going to work. The day ended with me
looking into the Camry engine bay to see if there is anything else I need to
take off before it goes to the crusher.
Those exhaust down pipes are a must, I don’t fancy trying to fabricate those!
Nice flexi joins on both pipes will allow for engine movement. Look at the size
of that engine bay, looks a lot bigger than a MK1 bay that’s for sure!
Its already apparent that engine bay space is going to be critical, I'm not
at all concerned about the length of the engine, in fact it looks about the same
as a 4a-ge so I will have plenty of room to change timing belts or other
maintenance work when the engine is in situ. The main concern is going to be
width, this thing looks a lot wider than the 3s-gte I installed into my MK1 and
that’s a tight fit!
I have already assumed that this engine is not going to go in from underneath
like it normally does on a MK1 (the bottom of the MK1 bay between the chassis
rails is just too narrow), so I'm going to have to take radical action to allow
fitment. The plan is to completely remove the rear firewall between engine bay
and boot, this will allow the engine and gearbox to be lifted in from above and
behind and lowered into the bay. When all of the engine mounts have been made
and its in its final position the rear firewall will be reconstructed around the
engine leaving a nice gap for movement. The end result will mean I will have
lost a few inches of boot space and also the engine lid catch will be redundant.
So the plan is to make the engine lid and boot lid all one section. The boot lid
will have to be removed from its hinges and solidly welded with support bars
onto the engine lid making an all in one rising engine lid and boot lid panel,
which will of course close and lock on the boot lid catch. The two gas rams that
currently support the Camry bonnet will be used on this new lid to help it rise
on its own. It should look pretty cool seeing the whole rear of the car open up
and I may even sacrifice the boot totally and put the exhaust silencer in there
with twin exit tail pipes coming out through the back panel either side of the
number plate, all just theory at the moment, only time will tell. For now that’s
as far as the project can progress until I've sourced more parts from around the
UK and found a decent donor MK1 to do this to, but the seeds of the project are
well and truly sown. Updates on this project will be much slower than on the MK1
turbo so please bear with me - Rome wasn’t built in a day! And neither was a V6
MK1!
Day 2 - 14/03/04
The parts hunting for this project is perhaps a bigger challenge than the
engine install itself! Trying to find a manual Camry flywheel may end up with me
finding Lord Lucan and Shergar along the way! But in the quest to make this
engine a reality I've found that a Toyota 4runner V6 3vze engine has a flywheel
on it that’s going to fit on my Camry 3vz-fe V6. Its taken over a week to find
one and its in the USA but at £16 for it I can't complain although the shipping
has cost me 3 times the price of the flywheel itself. I'm just glad a flywheel
has actually turned up! I may have to experiment with clutches to find one that
works but I'm expecting either the GT4 clutch to fit straight on or a combo of
GT4 and 4runner clutches.
The 3vze flywheel above seems to share the correct bolt pattern for my 3vz-fe
engine, I can always have it machined if it’s a little out. The important thing
is that the ring gear engages with the starter motor on the MR2 turbo gearbox,
it’s a disaster if it doesn’t and a fresh flywheel will need to be sourced, I'm
fairly confident this will work though.
Day 3 - 18/03/04
Well things are certainly picking up speed! I've stumbled across the donor
MK1 for my V6 engine. A chap recently contacted me about a MK1 he owned that
failed its MOT rather badly on some welding (no surprise there), coupled to that
the exhaust is falling off it and a few other problems with the car he decided
to sell it so here she is!
Meet the recipient of the V6, a mica blue 88 T-bar with full leather. The
engine is sweet and no doubt will end up in a customers MK1 in need of a good
unit. Body wise its fairly typical, corroded front wings and rear sills holed.
The floor has a few holes in it too but its overall condition is good and
definitely worthy of saving. In general I shouldn’t have any problems making the
car solid again but it was just going to cost the owner too much to put right.
The top windscreen panel has gone and the windscreen is cracked as a result,
that’s a high priority job.
Here’s the business end of the operation, this is where the V6 is going to
sit. Well maybe a little of it in the boot but most of it will be in here! I
will take a few measurements soon to find out exactly how much engine will sit
rearward, I'm guessing 1-2 inches into the boot. The battery will be relocated
to the front compartment as it was on the MK1.5 to give more space back here. I
will be taking the engine and gearbox out in about 2 weeks time, for now the car
must remain drivable.
As an aside I'd just like to address a recent issue some critics have raised,
they are concerned that a V6 weighs too much in a MK1. I can answer that in
three ways, one the V6 engine weighs about the same as the 3S-GTE in my other
MK1, and that is by no means unbalanced, in fact the MK1 turbo handles better
and feels more stable at 100mph plus with the extra weight (many of you will
know exactly what I mean when I say a MK1 feels very light and hairy at high
speed). If you get the later 1MZ-FE all aluminium engine then its actually
lighter than a 3S-GTE, that should be an interesting fact for the MK2 turbo
owners reading this, same power but lighter and torquier engine. Secondly,
engine swaps into MR2s aren’t really affected by weight, you have to remember
that they handle so well because the engine is sitting right where the center of
gravity is, not up front wallowing around like in most cars so putting a little
extra weight right in the center of gravity means nothing in an MR2, plus the
suspension will be uprated to match. Thirdly, who cares if it weighs more? Its
still 200 kgs lighter than a MK2 and we are effectively doubling the power to
weight ratio anyway.
Below I'm already day dreaming about what the cars going to look like, these
are the wheels that are going to help put the power onto the road, 17” rims are
my weapon of choice, shod with some good quality 205/40/17 tyres on the front
and 225/40/17s on the rear. Ive found 17’s on 40 profiles give no tyre flex
going into corners, a bit unforgiving in the wet and heavier steering at lower
speeds but I've tried all rim sizes and 17’s work and look best for me and I'm
going to need a big footprint on the rear to get all of that torque onto the
road (255nm/4400rpm), 15” rims on 195/50 just won't cope. These rims are AZEV
A’s and really set the car off well, very Ferrari in style don’t you think? -
lovely.
My imagination was at work again with the two red MK1s in the foreground
gossiping “who does she think she is.” “oh I know, don’t those wheels look
tarty” End of day 3 and I do believe I've lost the plot!
Day 4 - 22/03/04
It occurred to me that I'd better get a side by side comparison of engine and
car to get a good idea of what I'm up against and see if this huge V6 was going
to physically fit! Well I have a fair idea that it won't sit in the engine bay
as it is but lets find out, the pics are pretty daunting let alone the swap
itself.
Just look at that picture! That engine bay doesn’t look anywhere near big
enough for that engine…brilliant! Makes me giggle every time I look at this.
It's going to be a bigger challenge than I thought, just what I like! Maybe if I
just photoshop that engine into the MK1 bay you will all believe I did it? Ok,
maybe not.
Pretty big engine for such a small bay, access is going to be limited when
working on that, good job the V6 is a very low maintenance unit, I've heard
tales of these things lasting 300,000 miles and still purring. On the
maintenance issue, answers on a postcard how you change the 3 spark plugs that
are buried directly under that big aluminium inlet manifold? “take the manifold
off” you say? 4 of the bolts that hold the manifold on are under the manifold
too! I think I need to delve into my Camry manual for this as I don’t relish the
prospect of having to remove the engine to change 3 of the spark plugs! Note the
oil filler cap, putting oil in might be an adventure too, nobody said a V6 MK1
was going to be user friendly!
It is vital to get as many reference shots as possible before actually doing
the swap and as many measurements as possible from both engine bay and engine to
be fitted.
From the top of the front firewall to the top of the rear wall is approx
620mm, plenty of room for the top of the V6 engine, although the problem is that
the V6 bulges out severely in the middle so I took measurements here as well.
From the widest part of the engine bay near the exhaust manifold to the rear
wall is approx 680mm. I needed to compare that to the engine….
To quote a line from “Jaws”… “we’re gonna need a bigger boat!”
I've allowed 2 inches at the exhaust manifold for clearance and an inch at
the rear and this measurement is 720mm at the widest part. Clearly a 720mm width
engine plus clearance is not going to fit in a 680mm bay! which is just what I
thought, I'm going to have to use 50-100mm of boot space around the engine, not
a problem as we have plenty of space to play with in the boot. Of course the
project would be a total no go if the engine and gearbox were too wide for the
bay as there's no easy way to move the chassis rails inside the MK1 bay. End of
day 4 and there's no major surprises, the engine will fit with a bit of rear
wall modifying, I can't wait to get this project moving along, a V6 MK1 really
is an interesting prospect, makes me wonder what will I do for a project next
year? I wonder if NASA have a pair of solid rocket boosters lying around I can
use!?
For now the project has hit a wall until my flywheel arrives from the States
and I source a MK2 turbo gearbox, next step is to drop that oily 4a-ge out and
clear the MK1 bay out of unwanted parts, I expect this to happen over the next
few weeks.
Day 5 - 28/04/04
Sometimes you just have to grab the bull by the horns and take a chance on
something, that’s what I did on the flywheel issue. I had no idea where I was
going to get a 3vz-fe manual flywheel from, that car simply doesn’t exist in the
UK, they are all autos. So a bit of bravery was needed to order a manual
flywheel from America for the not too distant cousin Toyota 4 runner v6 3vze
engine. The flywheel arrived yesterday after a 5 week wait so I was pretty
anxious to try it on my V6.
….Success! A perfect fit! I love the way Toyota parts are so common among,
not just marques of the same vehicle, but across the whole Toyota range. It was
pretty vital that this worked or the whole project was going to be delayed
trying to find a flywheel that works with this engine.
The flywheel has now been sent to the local machine shop to have the surface
refaced to make it perfect. I've sourced a MK2 turbo clutch which fitted
straight onto the 3vze flywheel so that’s pretty much one of the biggest hurdles
overcome. No one has ever proved that a 3vze 4 runner flywheel works on the
3vz-fe so this should be priceless info for others following and doing the swap.
Now I took the liberty of checking my old automatic flexplate/flywheel
against a friends 1mz-fe engine while it was out of his car and it was identical
so this also means that the 3vze 4 runner flywheel will definitely work on the
later 1mz engines too. I also needed to source the eight bolts that hold the
flywheel onto the crank as the original flexplate bolts were very short, so a
quick trip to Toyota was needed, never a good financial experience!
After bracing myself at the parts counter for the shock price the parts guy
announced £1.27 each! No second mortgage this time. They arrived 2 days later
and work perfectly with the 3vze flywheel. The Toyota part number for these 8
bolts is 90105-10207 for anyone else attempting the swap.
A friend happened to have his 3s-gte engine stripped for a rebuild/upgrade so
he kindly sent me this highly detailed engineering diagram (cough) of the
clearances between his block and flywheel (cheers JJ) as I'm using the MK2 turbo
E153 gearbox I need to make sure my flywheel shares these dimensions or the
starter won't engage properly and the clutch won't have the correct travel. To
get this right I may have to either shim behind the flywheel or have some
material removed from the back of the flywheel to get the correct offset.
Here is the machined flywheel in situ, the offset from the block was correct
and this is now finished, its taking a lot of effort to convert this engine from
an auto to manual!
Next step is to wait until my MK2 turbo clutch kit arrives and check it all
fits onto this flywheel, I've been told it does fit but if not I've got the 3vze
4 runner pressure plate from this flywheel that will work with the turbo
friction plate.
Day 6 : 13/5/04
It was time to turn my attention to making sure this engine wasn’t going to
let me down after the swap so I've fitted a new timing belt, inspected all of
the pulleys and water pump for freeplay, all seems sound. Nothing worse than
installing an engine only to find you could have changed a hard to get at pulley
beforehand.
The V6 is a beautifully designed engine with a tensioner shown bottom left
that constantly takes up the slack in the belt and keeps it perfect. Most
engines have a fixed tensioner that doesn’t allow for the belt stretching over
time.I love this engine!
Now because I'm not using the power steering pump or air con and all I need
to drive is my alternator I needed to source a suitable fan belt. This was done
by cutting the old belt until it was the correct length and then measuring it.
A quick phone call to the auto parts supplier and he sent me a 6 rib poly V
belt that was 925mm long. This fitted perfectly with loads of adjustment left.
Its important to get stuff like this done before the engine goes in so you know
its all going to work.
I've also taken a blanking plug out of the oil gallery on the block and
adapted it to take this banjo fitting…this is now an external oil pressure feed
for………………a turbo!
In the States the guys that do these swaps during their lunch break to MK2s
usually run TRD superchargers on the V6, basically they can run at around 5psi
on the stock set up with no need to alter compression ratios or mess with the
ECU mapping.
The banjo will provide the turbos oil feed and I will need to take the sump
off to drill and weld an oil return fitting too. I think I will use the fitting
that’s on our MK1 4a-ge sumps for the oil cooler return line, that should work
well, come to think of it I can use the MK1 oil cooler flexi pipes to feed oil
to and from the turbo too.
Here is a MK2 V6 fitted with the TRD Supercharger
Now TRD superchargers for the Camry are £1500 a time, hardly worth it for
5psi of boost, also I'm not a huge fan of superchargers (excuse the pun!)
because they are driven off the engine which consumes power and aren’t very
efficient so I thought why not run a small turbo off one exhaust bank and create
the 5psi that way? So not only is this going to be the first MK1 V6 this side of
the pond but its going to be a MK1V6 turbo - bring on the men in white coats!
Obviously to create a fully blown V6 turbo I would need to lower the
compression ratio to around 8.5:1,fit stronger con rods, toughen the crank, fit
a standalone ecu, uprate the fuel system and start looking at cam profiles…a lot
of money and a lot of work. With an all out turbo though you get really good
power but at the expense of lag, the one thing I like about Na’s is the instant
response so fitting a small turbo and running at 5 or maybe 7psi will give the
best of both worlds. The turbo will be good for an extra 60bhp without consuming
energy from the engine like a SC does. If I fit larger fuel injectors and retard
the timing I might be able to run 9 or 10psi with a really good intercooler
system in the boot. Of course this whole plan depends on whether or not I can
actually find space for a turbo in an already cramped bay, time will tell.
This is the type of turbocharger I'm hoping to fit, its from a 3.0ltr Supra
and I think adapting the exhaust manifold to fit onto the inlet will be fairly
easy, if it proves a problem I will make a new exhaust manifold from scratch
that the turbo can bolt straight on to. The exhaust outlet on the right of the
turbo should be easy to join back onto the exhaust system. Judging by the angle
of the turbo compressor outlet, this should face rearward which is convenient
for taking the boost into the boot for intercooling before returning it to the
engine bay. I think this should work really well although I will have to make
sure boost is restricted to 5psi, from memory that actuator opens the wastegate
at 7psi. I've just found out that the 3vz has stronger con rods than the 1mz and
also has a lower compression ratio at 9.5:1 which is good news for running some
low boost. Note in the pic above that the turbo also has a lambda sensor plumbed
into it so I won't need to worry about that if I have to make an exhaust
manifold from scratch (one of the current o2 sensors is in the V6 manifold).
Day 7: 17/05/04 The clutch finally arrived so I needed to check that fitted onto the 3vze
flywheel properly…it did! So once again the interchangeability (is that a word?)
of Toyota parts has proved successful, so for future reference a MK2 turbo
clutch fits a Camry V6 engine of any year….cool eh? I now have drive to the
gearbox.
It was time to stop messing around with flywheels and clutches and actually
get “LILY” (LIL 5672) ready for the engine, so I removed the oily 4a-ge in about
2 hours, this engine had oil leaks everywhere!
Now with the bay empty its time to get rid of all of the parts from the bay
itself, off with the battery tray/oil cooler/coil and ignitor pack/map sensor in
fact anything that’s 4a-ge related has to go including the extractor fan above,
which should go back in.
Here is the bay minus engine, battery tray and all other clutter, its
basically like starting with a clean sheet of paper. Note I've removed the
bootlid for the next step….these pictures are not for the fainthearted!………out
with the rear firewall!
This came out in minutes with a cutting disc on my grinder, the bay looks a
hell of a lot bigger all of a sudden! As previously mentioned the rear wall will
be reconstructed around the engine when its in its final resting place, however
I'm not going to build a solid wall as that will stop me doing maintenance work.
It will basically have an angle iron frame supporting the top edge, sides and
base with a one piece bolt on aluminium checker plate panel that can be removed
to get access to the engine. There will be no loss of strength doing it this
way, in fact it will be a reinforcement over the original as it was just a
section of thin wall steel when I removed it with very little bracing to it at
all. To be on the safe side I'm going to fit a rear strut brace between those
two struts if I've got enough space above the engine, if not a custom engine lid
will allow me to do this.
Lily doesn’t seem to mind the open heart surgery, you can just see the
pulmonary aorta hanging out of the front bulkhead! This is the approach that the
V6 will take going in as there's no way it would go in from underneath. The left
radiator pipe will have to be rotated 180 degrees as both coolant inlet and
outlet pipes on the 3vz-fe are on the right. I will move this pipe when I drop
the fuel tank out to fit a larger Supra fuel pump. I will simply cut it
somewhere under the tunnel and use a rubber sleeve with two jubilee clips to
rotate it around. The heater hose pipes above are both facing in the correct
direction as both heater pipes on the 3vz-fe are above the gearbox.
All that’s left in the bay is the fuel lines, gear shift cables, heater and
rad pipes, throttle cable, speedo cable, brake servo pipe and a small amount of
harness that joins everything on the engine up to the fusebox and to the rest of
the car like dashboard instruments. The connector that's used to feed to the MK1
4A-GE ECU and engine harness is called the N1.This has been left in the boot
with the ECU side of the plug cut off so that I have somewhere to attach the new
wiring to.
Pictured is both sides of the N1 connector, the yellow line shows where I've
cut the harness off and where the new connections will be made. There will also
be charging and starting wires to join at the big grey plug at the base of the
passenger rear strut tower, more on this later, for now I have to concentrate on
physically getting the engine and gearbox into that bay and driveshafts
connected up.
Day 8: 19/05/04
Next step was to remove the old engine mounts from the chassis rail. Having
done this before on the MK1 turbo I remember it being a pig of a job and it
wasn’t any easier this time around. Nevertheless they needed to come off and
with a lot of grinding, chiseling, drilling and swearing they met with the bin.
During the MK1 turbo swap I had to make new chassis engine mounts and I had
the foresight in making templates out of card that had the perfect shape so that
I could scribe around them on some flat steel plate and cut them out. These
templates are now used by all new MK1 turbo builders around the world and are
stored in PDF format here on Bill Strong's site for anyone wishing to download
them. They are stored in pdf so that their size doesn’t alter during printing
which has been a problem in the past sending via email. http://www.racingstrong.com/rsgtr/images/mr2_mk15_motormounts.pdf
these templates will be used to create my V6 mounts too as I'm using the same
gearbox. So using the original templates from the turbo swap I arranged them all
on a sheet of 4mm thick mild steel in a manner that allowed as few cuts as
possible, I went through 6 cutting discs to get the mounts cut out, I really
must buy a plasma cutter…that reminds me, I really must win the lottery.
Above is a pic of the mount plates marked out for cutting.
A:Front torque mount sides, two need to be cut out
B:Top bracing plate for the O/S chassis mount
C:O/S mount frontmost plate
D:N/S mount rearmost plate
E:O/S mount rearmost plate
F:N/S mount frontmost plate
After a lot of hard work the mount plates were removed, cleaned up their
edges with a grinding disc and trimmed them here and there to suit my cars
chassis rails. Cutting these mounts out is a horrible job and it would be a lot
easier to take the templates to a local machine shop and ask them to do it for
you, probably only cost a few quid for them to do it too. Still its all about
job satisfaction and accomplishment I suppose.
The engine mount holes wont be drilled into these plates until im happy with
the final engine position. Last time I used 5mm plate, this time its 4mm which
is fine but I wouldn’t use anything thinner than 4mm even though the original
mounts are approx 2.5mm thick…strength is the name of the game when you’re
fabricating engine mounts from scratch.
So Lily is more or less ready for the V6 to go in, I just need to source a
MK2 turbo gearbox and lift the whole lot over the back panel from behind and
lower it all into the bay, that’s when I expect the fun to really start! In
preparation I've removed the rear bumper so that my engine hoist will move
closer to the bay, I'm still not sure if it will lift that big V6 plus gearbox
high enough to clear the rear panel, I may have to take the rear wheels off and
let the car sit on its brake discs during the initial fitting. What if it won't
actually fit? I'm going to look a right idiot! Ah well it will be good
entertainment value if nothing else.
DAY 9: 7/06/04
Driveshafts are a major part of getting any big engine swap to work, you have
to get a shaft that will fit the gearbox end but also fit into the MK1 hub
spline. Now I've been down this road before with the MK1 turbo so I know a MK1
supercharger outer CV joint fits onto a MK2 turbo driveshaft, this is all that’s
needed to make it fit both gearbox and hub. However the supply of MK1 SC outer
CV joints in the UK is just about nil and they are a fortune to buy from Toyota
as they are only available as a complete driveshaft. There is a solution though,
it turns out a Celica Gt4 st165/185 front driveshaft has the same outer CV joint
as a MK1 SC (that should prove useful to a SC owner needing a new joint). A few
months ago I bought two such st165 driveshafts off ebay for £5 each…for nothing!
I removed the outer CV’s from them and slotted them onto my MK2 turbo shafts.
Here are the two turbo shafts on the left with ST165 outer CV’s fitted and on
the right two Camry driveshafts for length comparison. The ST165 shaft is
somewhere between these two. This MK2 turbo/st165 CV combo shaft is identical to
a MK1SC short shaft. So if you do either the turbo or V6 swap to a supercharger
model you are one step ahead.
Also I received a Supra turbo fuel pump this week so I decided to get this
nasty job out of the way before any of the engine swap began. The AW11 pump just
won't supply enough fuel to a 3.0ltr V6 and seeing as I'm applying light boost I
thought what better pump to use than the Supra turbo, that already supplies a
3.0ltr 6 cylinder turbocharged engine with enough fuel so I know its going to
work perfectly without having to work out flow rates and pressures etc. The
Supra pump is identical to a MK1, only it supplies more pressure to the fuel
rail. Nearly all of Toyotas fuel pumps interchange like this from the
Celica/Supra/MK2 MR2/Corolla and many more.
Time to drop the tank, poor picture but basically all of the plastic
undertrays are removed, then all of the handbrake linkages. The breather pipes
and filler/return pipes are disconnected in the engine bay and two straps hold
the tank in situ. When these are removed the tank is free to come down and only
has the electrical connectors on top of it for the fuel pump and gauge to
disconnect.
Here is the tank removed ready for the pump swap, it’s the fitting on the
left with the blue shrouded wires that needs to be undone. 8mm bolts hold the
pump carrier onto the tank and it then lifts out.
Above you can see the AW11 pump is identical in size to the Supra and it’s a
straight swap into the AW11 carrier. The whole tank removal procedure is now
reversed and that’s that out of the way, not a nice job but it has to be done!
This car is now supplying more fuel pressure to the engine bay than my MK1 turbo
is, this is also a common mod done by MK2 turbo owners wanting more power as
Supra turbo pumps are cheap and easy to come by.
Day 10 : 23/6/04
Perhaps the hardest part to find for this swap has been the gearbox, I've
searched everywhere for one at a sensible price but I've finally located one
equipped with an LSD so that should help with all of that V6 torque. Problem is
it had a destroyed 5th gear but I managed to buy two damaged gearboxes to build
one good one. Thanks at this point should go to Michael Wright (Mike McFly as he
is known to his friends) who went out of his way to help, cheers mate.
So with the gearbox repaired it was time to offer it up to the V6 block and
see what sort of fit it was going to be. It’s a bit of a grey area fitting a MK2
turbo gearbox to a Toyota V6, the later 1mz engines don’t line up with all of
the gearbox holes on an earlier E153 transmission, but I was told that post '93
LSD gearboxes lined up with every hole, but this was on the later 1mz engine, so
there were no guarantees that my '93 LSD box was going to mate up with the
earlier 3vz-fe engine - nervous moments!
Heres the ‘93 E153 LSD gearbox fitted to the 3vz-fe V6.
The swap gods are looking down on me! luckily every single bolt hole on the
'93 LSD gearbox lined up with a respective hole on the 3vz block, overjoyed!
There will be a little altering to do though, I've noticed on the two rearmost
holes that, although they line up, there are threads in the holes on the block
AND in the gearbox, so I'm going to have to drill out the threads in the block
so that I can enter a bolt from behind and into the gearbox, no great hardship
to do, I'm just happy the bolt holes all line up!
These two holes (yellow) will need the threads removing from the block so
that the bolts pass through to the gearbox. Also I've had to remove the
electronic speedo (red) as this won't work on a MK1 and I will need to insert
the mechanical speedo in here instead.
With this done it was time to check driveshaft fitment into the right side -
this is the side that has the supported output shaft that bolts to the engine
block and carries the shaft in a bearing. There was an excess engine mount on
this bracket which isn’t used on the MR2 so I hacksawed that off. It would
probably foul on my MK1 rear crossmember and it’s a bit of weight saving too.
On the left the V6 auto supported output shaft, on the right I've cut the
engine mounting off.
The next big dilemma concerning this shaft is its location. Now I've used the
V6 3vz-fe auto shaft that was in the Camry as I've been told it will work and
indeed it slotted into the gearbox without any problems, once again an instance
of Toyota parts interchanging. The problem lies however in that the bracket
holding the shaft onto the block sits slightly further away from the gearbox
than it would do if it were a 3s-gte engine. It has been mentioned before that
this difference is as much as 10mm on some 1mz-fe swaps with certain Toyota
shafts but its still a little unclear exactly which supported output shaft sits
further or closer to the gearbox, certainly no one has yet to find a Toyota
shaft that bolts up to the block and is perfectly located into the gearbox be it
LSD or non. Using the 3vz-fe auto shaft I found that the shaft was sitting 3mm
too far to the right when bolted up to the block, meaning the shaft itself
should be sitting 3mm further into the differential than it was. Obviously its
important to get the shaft fully located to minimize the chance of it ever
popping out, that’s the last thing I want. So other MR6 swappers have found that
if you remove the bearing on the shaft and then machine the shaft so that the
bearing sits 3mm more to the right this will make the shaft locate fully into
the diff. Also a new groove needs to be machined into the shaft for the bearing
retainer clip to slot into. I did this machine work myself in 10 mins with a
grinder and it will all still be central as the majority of the bearing is still
located on the original part of the shaft, just my newly ground off 3mm that
won't be. Quite hard to explain but if you ever attempt the swap you will see
what I mean. The best way I can illustrate is in the diagram below.
The red line shows where the bearing retaining clip currently sits to stop
the bearing moving on the shaft. The yellow area shows the part of the shaft
that I machined flat so that the bearing could be moved 3mm to the right. The
blue line shows where I've machined a new groove into the shaft for the
retaining clip to sit, now you can either do this or have a 3mm spacer ring made
up that sits between the bearing and the original clip position. In doing this
mod the whole shaft will now move 3mm closer to the gearbox when its bolted to
the block. Alternatively you could elongate the four holes on the carrier
bracket to make it bolt up 3mm nearer the gearbox.
Here is the output shaft bolted to the block and fully inserted into the LSD.
Note I've got some tidying up to do on that carrier bracket.
So this is the complete engine/transmission combo that’s going to fit into
Lily, it doesn’t look half as big now with the turbo gearbox on it compared to
when I first removed it from the Camry with that massive auto box on it. I've
taken some quick width measurements and the approx distance between the chassis
rails in the engine bay is 3ft 1”. My V6 engine/box is approx 3ft ¼” ! So this
means it will fit.... just!!! But I will probably have to take the engine out to
do the simplest of tasks like changing the timing belt or replacing the water
pump!... I must be mad.
The engine is now ready to be lifted over the back of Lily and into the
engine bay, so the next time you see this engine it will be sitting in a MK1 -
exciting stuff!
Day 11: 12/7/04
Well it was time to stop beating around the bush and actually see if this
thing was going to fit into a MK1. The moment of truth has finally arrived, for
me getting an engine to run and plumbing it up is childs play but if it wont
actually fit into the space provided there's not a lot I can do about that!
The day started with taking the rear wheels off Lily to get her as low to the
ground as possible so that I didn’t have to lift the engine and box as high
and minimize the chance of damaging something.
With the car ready it was then time to put a strong chain onto the V6 and
bring it up behind the car on the engine hoist.
Its at this point I thought no this engine is just too big, there's no way
its going to physically fit in there, but no point in turning back so I gingerly
lifted the engine up until it was above the rear boot panel.
Its at times like these when the initial idea of fitting a V6 to a MK1
doesn’t seem like the best way to pursue a hobby! I had visions of that chain
somehow breaking, impossible I know, and the whole lot coming down and writing
off Lily and the engine in one go.
With the engine hoist needing to sit under the car I had to jack the back end
up a few inches to let the legs of the hoist go under, this in turn meant the
engine had to go up a few inches more. Pretty dramatic pictures and you can see.
I've hit the first problem. When I took engine bay measurements I measured from
chassis rail to chassis rail and didn’t give a second thought about the strut
tops, which do of course lean in slightly at the top. In the pic above you can
see the crank pulley just won't go past the right hand strut top mount! The
gearbox to strut clearance on the other side is just as tight and I really began
to panic!
I had to swivel the engine slightly sideways so that it went in at an angle
and this enabled it to squeeze past the strut tops. At the same time the engine
was beginning its descent into the bay and the next hurdle was to get the whole
lot over the rear cross member.
In these pics you can see the angle it has to enter at, I really couldn’t
believe it was slowly going into a MK1 bay.
You can see how tight things are this side, its touching the strut tower and
skimming over the rear cross member, very, very tight.
With the engine and gearbox dropping over the cross member lip the whole
thing could be straightened up again and centralized. Note the rear exhaust bank
lambda sensor and how close it is to the chassis cross member, more on that in a
bit.
With the engine twisted slightly there was just enough space for the crank
pulley to slip past the right chassis rail.
AND IN!!! Another little piece of MK1 history is made as this is the first
MK1 in Europe to see a V6 in its engine bay. I was running about like an idiot
and getting far too over excited but I just couldn’t believe after the months
of research and work that a Camry V6 engine was actually sitting in the engine
bay of a MK1 MR2!
What a sight! A few months ago I joked about pasting a pic of a V6 into the
bay - this one defintely isn’t Photoshopped!!
Not only was the engine in but I was astounded at the fit, it looks totally
at home in there and as if its never been in another vehicle. The engine is
sitting on a flat movable trolley (the same one used in the turbo swap) so that
I can move the engine around in the bay to get its location right. There was a
slight fitment issue concerning the rear lambda sensor, although it cleared the
chassis it sits dangerously close to it and I imagine any rocking of the engine
under torque being enough to finish it off, so I had to cut out a notch from the
chassis rail which will be welded up solid.
Here you can see the section I've removed and I've also taken the lambda
sensor off for the time being just in case I catch it by accident. This is the
only modification I've had to do to the surrounding engine bay chassis rails to
allow clearance - I can live with that!
The next thing to do was shut the engine lid and see what sort of clearance
issues there are, it closed fully with a good ½ inch between engine lid and
manifold so success there.
Here you can see how little of the engine actually impedes into the boot,
actually none of the engine itself does, just the inlet manifold uses about 1½
inches of boot space. This is great as I was worried that I was going to lose a
good section of the boot. The rear firewall will be reconstructed around the
engine as a removable panel in case I need access to the rear spark plugs or
other engine work including having to take it back out if need be.
From the drivers side, sump to ground clearance is actually better than on
the MK1 turbo and looks about the same as a 4a-ge - note the crankshaft pulley
bolt almost sits in the notch in the chassis that’s meant for the 4a-ge pulley
bolt.
In the next pic you can see that the output shaft runs parallel with the rear
cross member, this pic was taken low down so it gives the impression that the
engine is sitting too low but in reality the output shafts top edge is level
with the chassis. This is the same guide I used to get the 3s-gte situated in
the MK1 turbo.
So today was an unbelievable success and now that the engine is in the next
step is to get drive shafts to fit properly, that will ultimately decide the
engines left/right location and following that I can tack weld the engine mounts
in place and hang the full weight of the engine on them. Then the engine will be
dropped down to the floor as far as it will go to allow me to weld the mounts up
solid and paint them mica blue. Once I've welded the left side gearbox mount in
place I don’t think the engine and gearbox will come back out the way it went
in so if it ever has to come back out the gearbox will have to be unbolted from
the engine and come out the conventional way from underneath and then the engine
could come out via the top - owning a V6 MK1 is going to be an experience when
it comes to maintenance!
Day 12: 15/7/04Drive shafts are never easy to figure out when it comes to fitting a
different engine and gearbox to a project car, and although I have in fact
fitted a MK2 turbo gearbox to a MK1 before the fact that I'm using the V6 Camry
automatic supported output shaft instead of the MK2 turbo output shaft did throw
up a problem. As described a few pages up I had to move the carrier bearing on
the V6 shaft so that it bolted to the 3vz-fe block in the correct place and also
slotted fully home into the LSD. I had been told by some US swappers that the V6
auto output shaft is the same length as a MK2 turbo shaft but when I tried to
bolt the MK2 turbo drive shafts up there was far too much endfloat on the shafts
- i.e. they had too much space to move around (about 16mm each side) and would
probably have popped out with suspension travel. So knowing that there was 5mm
of endfloat on each of the MK1 turbo shafts I knew something wasn’t right. A
quick measurement of the supported output shaft on the MK1 turbo confirmed that
the V6 auto shaft was in fact 33mm shorter than its turbo version! This was no
good at all and I was panicking that I'd have to have a custom set of drive
shafts made up. However I suddenly remembered that the Gt4 st165 front drive
shafts that I'd bought for their outer CV joints were longer than turbo shafts
so I quickly measured them. Very luckily for me each Gt4 shaft is exactly 15mm
longer than a MK2 turbo shaft which means all I had to do was fit the CV joints
back onto the Gt4 shafts and the extra 15mm each side would negate the 33mm
shortfall in total driveshaft length…now that is lucky! Its hard to fully
explain this in detail so I've drawn a quick sketch below.
You can see from the above that both of these supported output shaft and axle
set ups make the overall width of the drive train the same (give or take 3mm)
its only when you try to use the V6 auto shaft with the MK2 turbo axles that the
overall length is 33mm shorter which could have lead to a shaft popping out. All
depends what parts you get for your swap but both of the above work well.
Above is the drivers side Gt4 shaft in, the driveshaft is at its shortest
length when the suspension is uncompressed and the shafts extend longer as the
suspension rises - so as long as there’s acceptable endfloat on both sides on
full suspension extension then it will work fine when fully compressed.
So with the drive shafts now in place the exact engine and gearbox left/right
location could be finalized. This is done in exactly the same way it was on the
MK1 turbo swap. Basically each outer driveshaft nut is unscrewed until its flush
with the end of its shaft…then the nut is pushed hard as far in as it will go
until the inner CV joint bottoms out and will go no further, then the distance
the nut has traveled is measured. When you do this on both sides it will show
whether the gearbox needs to go left or right to get the transmission central.
Slight levering of the whole engine/gearbox and constant checking of the
driveshaft endfloat on both sides soon sees it in the correct place. It took me
about an hour to make sure this was right as its pretty much the most important
part of any engine swap. The engine and gearbox are then chocked in place so it
can't move ready for its new engine mountings to be fabricated to hold it in
that location.
With the end of the day looming I turned my attention to the starter motor.
Due to the fact that I've used an odd flywheel I didn’t know if the ring gear
on it was going to lie in the correct offset to engage the starter motor
properly so I made sure I measured its position from the face of the block. The
back edge of the ring gear was 12mm from the block face and when I attached the
starter motor and threw its drive cog out to full extension I found that it was
overshooting the ring gear by 6mm, that means half of the ring gear wasn’t
being driven by the starter….not good.
So you can see above that I had to insert a 6mm aluminium spacer ring between
starter and gearbox so that the starter drive cog throws perfectly onto the
flywheel ring, without this spacer it would overshoot the ring gear with maybe
only 3mm of the starter cog meshing with the gear. I don’t believe this is an
issue at all if you manage to source a 1mz-fe manual flywheel and the starter
should engage perfectly with that flywheel with no spacer.
Day 13: 20/7/04:-So with the engine in and located it was time to make some engine mounts to
hang it from. I'd cut the templates out for these mounts weeks ago and they were
dummy fitted onto the gearbox mount first of all (the drivers side mount
hasn’t been made to fit the engine yet and this will be done when the gearbox
side is located first). Both plates for the mount are tacked lightly in situ
around the gearbox mount and the hole position marked onto them. The plates are
then broken off the chassis (very light weld) and the holes are drilled 10mm
higher up the plate than marked. This 10mm allows for the rubber sagging with
the full weight of the engine on it. Once drilled the mounts are offered back
into place but with the gearbox bolt secured onto them. A final check that the
driveshaft endfloat hasn’t changed and I'm ready to weld the mounts up solid.
After welding they are treated to a coat of primer to help stop
rusting…welding accelerates rust something shocking! These welded areas will
be finished off with seam sealer on the welds and a few good coats of mica blue.
There will be a top plate to add to this mount to bridge the two plates together
for strength, these are over engineered compared to the original MK1/V6 Camry
mounts.
With the engine still supported it was time to make my MK2 turbo drivers side
mount fit the engine, then it can be made to fit the chassis. The mount
couldn’t be bolted directly to the cast bracket on the block so I had to work
out a way of adapting it to fit, the mount had two pieces of angle iron attached
to it so that the mount can be unbolted easily from the engine.
Here you can see the bottom angle piece is bolted to the mount, the heads on
the bolts are in the gap between the two angle iron sections. The top angle is
then marked up and drilled to bolt onto the engine bracket. When this bracket
has been proven to fit properly its removed from the engine and welded onto the
section that’s attached to the mount to create the mount you see above. As a
matter of interest I managed to get a hold of a complete set of TRD mounts for
this swap, they should be good for whatever the V6 can throw at them.
Here you can see the mount from another angle that better explains it, the
two holes on the longer angle section allow the whole mount to bolt onto the
engine bracket and the smaller angle section that the mount is bolted to is
welded to that. The mount needs tidying up but otherwise very strong and well up
to the job.
Above shows the mount bolted to the engine, now I can start making the
chassis plates that will attach the mount to the car.
Again two plates are placed each side of the mount and the hole location
scribed onto them, the plates are then removed and once again drilled 10mm
higher up than marked to allow for rubber sag.
The plates are then solidly welded onto the chassis and I've taken care to
make sure that the mount will actually remove and come up past the chassis mount
bracket if I ever need to take it off for timing belt changes etc. On this side
too a top plate will be added to strengthen the mount up.
One part of the swap that’s hit a barrier was my plan to run a small turbo
on this engine and run some light boost. Now that I've got the engine in the bay
I've got practically no room at all for all of the turbo manifold, the turbo
itself and not to mention the intercooler piping and intercooler as well. For
now I will have to put this idea on hold and complete the V6 swap as it is. I
can always add the turbo at a later date although I do think I will have to
sacrifice the boot to do so. Its more of a priority at the minute to get the
engine running with no issues before applying boost, maybe not today, maybe not
tomorrow,… but soon!
Once I had seam welded both chassis mounts up I removed the jack and trolley
from underneath, the engine and gearbox is now connected up to the hubs and the
full weight of it is hanging on its new mounts! There's still the front and rear
torque mounts to make and a long way to go but by far the majority of the
structural and alignment work has been done. Note if you do this swap on a MK2
there's no engine mounts or torque mounts to make on the gearbox side, it all
bolts straight up…only the engine mount needs fabricating on a MK2 and all of
the MK2 turbo shafts will fit without worrying about left/right location,
although you will have to fit turbo hubs if doing this to an NA model. Also on a
MK2 there are issues with both exhaust manifolds fouling the front and rear
firewalls and custom manifolds need making, not so on a MK1 it seems, although
in fairness I have totally removed the rear wall!
Day 13 of the swap ended with a trial fit of Air flow meter location, I've
had to shorten the rubber intake piping and fit a 45 degree aluminium elbow to
allow it all to fit into the MK1 bay, there's still an induction filter to fit
onto the AFM too. Also I've started to plan the rear strut brace that must be
fitted with this swap to improve rigidity between the strut tops, damn that
engine looks sweet in a MK1, I love it!
Day 14 : 1/9/04:-The following weeks since the last update have been spent strengthening the
chassis engine mounts up with top plates and side plates to make them as strong
as possible plus I've been on holiday for a much needed break. So on my return
it was time to make the rear torque mount. This mount is a combination of MK1
engine mount bracket and MK2 turbo rubber mounting block.
I've actually used the front torque mount from a MK2 turbo to make this rear
mount as it has nice strong plates attached to it and fits better. I've cut the
rear chassis mount section off the old MK1 mount (arrowed) and welded that onto
the top of the MK2 mount as you can see above. This is attached to the rear
chassis cross member and a bracket now needs fabricating to bolt onto the
gearbox and onto this mount, once again the key is strength in everything
that’s done.
The bracket I'm using for the gearbox is actually a MK1 front torque mount
gearbox bracket, its holes almost line up perfectly with the gearbox holes, I
had to do a little reaming out here. This bracket is then bolted on and then
various pieces of bracket welded onto this to catch the surrounding holes on the
gearbox.
Here you can see the side brackets catching two holes on the gearbox, I'm
sure its not needed but the more strength the better. Everything at this stage
is just tack welded to make sure its in the correct position.
Now the whole mount is fitted to make sure it all lines up properly, I have
of course dummy fitted it as I went along but its common sense to check it
before seam welding the mount up.
This is the whole mount fitted to the car, you can see the bracket I've added
this side to catch another gearbox hole. This mount is very compact and very
strong to deal with all of the engine flex which im presuming will be quite a
bit given the V6’s reputation for producing huge amounts of torque.
There’s another two holes on the side of the gearbox that I could have used
with more brackets, I don’t think its needed though.
Having spent a full day just cutting up engine mounts and welding I turned
attention to the engine bay, the front engine torque mount will have to wait for
another day. I finalized location of the coolant expansion bottle, I managed to
squeeze it in between the engine and drivers inner wing. It’s the expansion
bottle from the Camry that I've used but the MK1 bottle will do if you can find
a place for it!
In the picture above you can see it fits rather nicely and a short run of
piping connects it to the pressure cap. I've also connected the brake servo
vacuum line. You can also see I've connected the top radiator hose as well, this
was originally a section of MK1 hose that happened to fit well. Its important to
keep as many bits of hose/clips/brackets/bolts and wiring as possible from your
old engine, its amazing how much of it you can use again.
I also fitted the air flow meter and induction filter, I've made two brackets
that hold the AFM in place. Also attached is the throttle cable, no modification
at all with this, it just went straight on. The rubber air intake tubing that
joins the AFM to the throttle body had to be significantly cut down to reduce
its length and I've added a 45 degree aluminium elbow between this and the AFM
to make it all fit into the MK1 bay, I will have this elbow TIG welded onto the
AFM to make a neat job of it. Today also saw the engine wiring harness being
fitted to the engine, although not wired up to anything it was good to get it
fitted and all of the ancillary components were fitted to the engine bay walls
such as coilpack, ignitor and various resistors. If it was attached to the Camry
engine bay and part of the engine harness, it needs to go into the MK1 bay. I've
also fitted two very thick earth straps to the engine, one is bolted onto the
gearbox and onto the passenger side chassis, the other is bolted to the engine
block and onto the drivers side chassis. Theres also a few smaller earth cables
running from the heads in case something has trouble finding an earth. This is
very important, if you don’t supply adequate earthing for the engine (its all
rubber mounted remember) then the component that’s getting a power supply, say
starter motor for instance, will use whatever it can for an earth even if it’s
a poor earth. Cases of throttle cables melting on poorly earthed engines are
common.
I also fitted the exhaust downpipes onto the engine and you can see that the
exit pipe sticks out far to much under the boot floor leaving no room for a
silencer to be added. So I removed this section as far back as the flexi join
just after the sump. Its just as well I did remove it as you can see the
restriction in that last bit of pipe, it goes from 2¼” round to 1” oval and
its very flat indeed and not what a V6 should be breathing through at all.
This is the exhaust cut at the flexi, this is where the rest of the system
will be joined onto. I still haven’t decided on the final exhaust design, it
will definitely have a single silencer under the boot floor but I'm not sure if
its going to be a single or twin exit system. In the future im going to redesign
the whole system including the manifolds as I think they are a bit restrictive
for a 3.0ltr V6, there's definitely room for improvement here bhp wise.
Today also saw the engine lid joined onto the boot lid, its been attached
with a variety of brackets and support bars. This needs more work to strengthen
it all up so that it behaves like one panel but the basic idea is there. I've
added a tailgate gas ram from a Citroen (is that swearing?) to assist the engine
lid rising and falling. Grey primer on all of the welded areas is giving some
protection until the car goes into paint (cellulose primer is porous and won't
protect against rust for very long so I will have to paint as soon as I can)
You can see I've fabricated a bracket that bolts onto the engine lid hinge.
The gas ram then attaches to this and a similar bracket was welded onto the
lower strut tower. It works extremely well, all I need to do is eliminate a bit
more flex from the joined panels to make it perfect. To recap, the reason I've
joined the boot lid and engine lid this way was because I've lost the engine lid
catch in removing the rear firewall - this whole panel now locks onto the boot
lid catch, just means everyone gets to look at the engine when I'm loading my
shopping into the boot at Tesco!
Above you can see the new induction filter, I got this from a supplier in the
USA who was able to send me the filter and its adapter to fit onto a Camry AFM
for £15! It cost £15 for the postage and arrived in 3 days…a total of £30,
these filters cost double that from any UK supplier, America is really good for
aftermarket parts.
The day ended with Lily lowered onto the ground for the first time with
temporary wheels on it and the full weight of the new engine and gearbox on the
suspension….anyone care to explain to me exactly why the ride height hasn’t
altered at all?? Surely a rear bumper can't weigh that much??? It’s a head
scratcher that’s for sure, I was expecting it to sit with the wheels tucked
under the arches, until I got my sports suspension added, with all of the extra
V6 weight. But it hasn’t dropped at all! I've bounced up and down on the
suspension all day thinking it wasn’t sitting right but this is as low as it
wants to go, very odd, perhaps it doesn’t weigh as much as I thought it was
going to? Who knows? Its certainly good news so I'm not going to complain. I'm
still going to uprate the springs and shocks anyway just to be on the safe side.
As a point of interest I've just read that Toyota are going to produce a
lightweight sports mid engined V6 in the next two years, looks like I'm going to
beat them to it! It would certainly be funny if they did use the Camry V6 unit
to power their new car.
Day 15: 9/09/04:-
So with most of the ancillaries connected up I fitted the clutch slave
cylinder and gear change cables. The clutch slave is a pretty easy part to fit,
I used the flexi from the MK2 it came from and this is fitted onto an extended
bracket on the front firewall where it attaches to the solid line (the MK1 flexi
has two female ends whereas the MK2 has a male and a female)
In this pic you can see the clutch flexi bracket just needs extending out to
house the flexi line - it would have stretched onto the original bracket but
would be under tension which isn’t good. Below that is the MK1 part of the front
torque mount, this has two plates added to either side of it and extends upwards
onto the mounting block, more on that when I get round to doing it.
The clutch is very hard to bleed and thanks go to Michael at the garage for
30 minutes of non stop clutch pumping, he now has a left leg like Arnold
Schwartznegger, but eventually all of the air gets bled out and the clutch works
fine which is a relief given the amount of flywheel concerns I've had. The
gearchange cables seem to have a mind of their own on a MK1, on my early B plate
the cables went straight onto the MK2 turbo gearbox with no mods and worked
perfectly.
However when I connected up the cables on this late spec to the MK2 turbo
gearbox the left hand cable (at the stick end) controlling movement across the
gate wasn’t allowing full movement to the left, so 1st and 2nd were nigh on
impossible to select. It seems there must be length differences between early
spec and late spec cables. The solution was to cut the cable at the stick where
it goes into a solid bar and extend it by 15mm using hollow tube welded in - the
gears now select perfectly.
The arrow shows the extension piece welded in to allow the gears more
movement across the gate between 1st and 5th.
Where the cables run into the engine bay they seem to sit pretty close to my
front exhaust manifold, in fact one of them is touching it so I'm going to have
to make a thick ally heat shield for this to stop it melting. I also filled the
gearbox with oil and it was then I hit my first V6 teething problem! I was
losing lots of oil via the driveshaft oil seal on the supported output shaft
side - luckily I had a spare seal from my gearbox parts bin and 30 minutes later
it was fixed. The old seal had a small split in its edge, good job it made
itself known now rather than lose oil when driving!
With that done I decided to make my exhaust system, the manifolds and
downpipes are already in place but I was undecided about what system or design
to install. In the end I've gone for a more conventional system, in fact the
rear silencer I'm using is a Magnex box from a MK1, it has the same 2” diameter
pipe running into it which is the same bore as my V6 downpipes, I figure if I
keep the size the same throughout I cant go far wrong.
Certainly the stock Camry exhaust system was so big and bulky, not to mention
restrictive, that anything I design and fit will be much better than it was on
the Camry in terms of performance and sound. The beauty of using the Magnex is
that it already hangs perfectly on my rear exhaust mountings and its inlet pipe
is sweeping round towards my V6 downpipe so all I needed was a 90 degree bend to
mate the two together. One concern I had though was the two skinny rear exit
tailpipes, they might do the job on a 4a-ge powered car but they look far too
small for a 3.0ltr to vent through (maybe designed like this for back pressure
reasons?) so I had a nice 3” 5zigen tail pipe handy to replace them with. I cut
the exit end of the silencer away and removed the tail pipes only to find that
the last 3 inches of silencer is in fact an empty cavity that the gas collects
in before finding its way into the twin tails. I modified this so that my 3”
exit pipe was feeding straight from the pipe running through the silencer with
only a little escaping into the “end chamber”.
The above shows where I cut the silencer twin tail pipes off and welded on
the 5zigen tail, this will breathe better than it did.
Exhaust system design and fitting is very much experimental with engine
swaps, I may find its useless, or too loud, or I may just have got it spot on, I
will only know when the projects completed. For now it certainly looks the part
if nothing else.
The section between the red lines shows what I've added to join the Magnex to
V6 downpipes, I've welded in an unboltable flange so that the rear of the system
can be removed without disturbing the downpipes. It also has a fabricated hanger
bracket just after the bolted flange to hang from the original exhaust mount on
the rear crossmember.
So far this tail pipe is the only hint from the outside that something more
sinister lies within! Unlike the MK1 turbo, which screams fast just by looking
at it, the plan here is to keep things looking as stock as possible on the
outside - a real street sleeper. Note the “twin cam 16” sticker on the left tail
light will be changed to “quad cam 24” as a final touch.
I've also started to refit the rear firewall around the engine, this must be
an unboltable panel so that I can get access to the engine.
Above you can see I've started to use aluminium angle so that the whole wall
can be unbolted, my ECU and engine wiring loom can also be attached to the wall
as it was originally. I've still got a useable boot though which is a bonus, on
the turbo a lot of it was lost to intercooler piping and the intercooler itself.
I like having a boot to at least get a tent in for JAE! Oh, and beer!
The day ended with me making brackets to hold the Camry ECU onto the firewall
and I've modified the engine loom to come through a rubber grommet just to the
left of the ECU.
Day 16 : 15/09/04:-
With the exhaust fitted it was all tack welded in place, so this needed
removing for seam welding before its final fitting, I thought this a good chance
to take a pic of the exhaust on the ground to show potential MK1 V6 builders
what it should look like (there are now two more MK1 V6s in the planning stage
in the UK).
This is the entire system seam welded, ok it needs cleaning up and some heat
resistant paint to smarten it up but it’s a quality job, I wonder what it will
sound like? Those down pipes will be redesigned next year, see how the rear bank
feeds back onto the exhaust gas flow? Although I really do think redesigning the
exhaust will give me a great opportunity to squeeze that turbocharger in
somewhere. I've noticed sometimes Toyota do strange things in their designs but
then again the car it was in was never intended for sporty performance, indeed
the “f” in 3vz-fe denotes an economy tuned engine whereas “g” denotes a
sports tuned engine 3s-ge, 3s-gte, 4a-ge etc so I don’t think they were
interested in 0-60 times and perfect exhaust flow design with “f” series
engines.
Structurally all I had left to do on the engine was build the front torque
mount, the MK1 floor section of the mount is used and the MK2 turbo mount on the
gearbox is joined onto this using 4mm thick steel plates on the sides.
Above is the front mount seam welded, bolt A onto the floor, bolt B onto the
gearbox, tack weld plates C onto them both and remove for final welding - not
exactly rocket science but it works. Good quality welds are essential and maybe
a few bracing plates joining plates C to each other for a bit more strength.
The engine is now in and everything is connected up, there's only the
electrical stuff to do - ”only” he says! Perhaps the hardest part is going
to be the wiring, even if and when it starts there will be error codes on the
ECU to eliminate, such as auto gearbox shift solenoids not being present, the
wires that used to go to the auto box will need fooling with resistors into
thinking the auto transmission is still there. The big problem with this swap is
not in fitting the engine but in making it think its still in a Camry! Far too
clever for its own good, I can't seem to remember my old MG metro powered Mini
refusing to start because its points and condenser weren’t happy in a Mini
bay??? That’s Toyota for you.
This is the V6 end of the engine harness, anyone know where these go???
There's maybe 60 wires coming off that loom and only 20 or so on the MK1 to join
onto these at the N1 connector.
The following day to be updated will contain nothing but wiring diagrams and
ECU pinouts, all very dull and boring reading but essential information for
anyone else following. Then pretty much everything will be done, a matter of
making a new battery tray in the front compartment, routing some heavy duty
battery cable down the tunnel and onto the starter motor terminal (this is where
the charging circuit and fusebox feeds also join together), then I will be
turning the ignition key for the first time!
I'm also going to try to add a link to a soundfile of the engine being
started and that mighty V6 roar coming from the bay of a MK1!
Day 17: 27/9/04:-
3vz-fe engine wiring:-
DISCLAIMER:-
THE
INFORMATION I AM ABOUT TO GIVE IS CORRECT FOR MY PROJECT (SPECIFIC TO AN ’88
MK1 AND A 3VZ-FE AUTO ’93 CAMRY) AND INDEED EVERY WIRE DESCRIBED HAS BEEN
CHECKED AND DOUBLE CHECKED. THIS ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN TO GIVE AS MUCH HELP AS
POSSIBLE TO OTHERS ATTEMPTING A V6 CONVERSION BUT WIRING IS VERY MUCH MODEL
SPECIFIC AND I CANNOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY WIRING FAULTS THAT MAY OCCUR
ON YOUR VEHICLE. EVEN IF YOU ARE DOING THIS TO THE SAME YEAR VEHICLES PLEASE
STUDY YOUR OWN WIRING THOROUGHLY. HAVING SAID THAT PLEASE GET IN TOUCH IF YOU
ARE UNSURE ABOUT YOUR WIRING AND I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP. Right, now that I cant be sued to death I will try to make the wiring simple
but yet detailed at the same time for others as I know this area frightens a lot
of people away from attempting an engine conversion. As long as you study both
diagrams from the Camry and MK1 so you know exactly what each wire does and
where it goes to you cant go far wrong. Having said that its vital that every
wire is double checked before a battery is connected up, last thing you want is
to fry a perfectly good engine harness or the ECU. In general Toyota tend to
keep wiring colours fairly similar, on the MK1 for instance the starter motor
energizer wire is black with a white stripe, on the Camry its black with a red
stripe. Many of the wires are identical though which helps enormously, you still
have to check them all though. It almost goes without saying that no wiring
should be attempted with the battery connected!
I check wiring by using a mulitmeter set on continuity, one probe goes onto
the ecu pin that the diagram says is for a specific component eg coolant temp
sensor and the other probe goes on the end of the wire at the sensor. You can
use this method to work out where wires go to that aren’t on the diagrams as
it’s a nightmare trying to trace a wire that disappears into a loom and
re-emerges somewhere else. Given plenty of time, and a sticky label on each wire
it shouldn’t prove too difficult. I already know what each wire on the MK1 N1
connector is for having studied it before.
Above is the N1 connector circled in the boot as it is on a MK1, the left
side of the connector goes to the cars chassis, the right hand is the engine
harness (4a-ge), so if we cut the old harness at the yellow line all of the new
engine harness connections can be made here so we still have an unplugable
engine harness.
N1 Pinouts 1 Combination
Meter: Check Engine Light 2 Combination
Meter: Oil Light 3 Stop
Light Switch (w/o spoiler) 4 Injector
Relay - Pin 4 5 N/C 6 Combination
Meter: Water Temp Gauge 7 EFI
Main Relay - Pin 4 8 Engine
Fuse - 10 amp 9 N/C 10 Combination
Meter: Speed Sensor 11 Cooling
Fan Warning Light 12 Engine
Main Relay - Pin 4 13 AM2
Fuse - 7.5 amp 14 N/C 15 Combination
Meter: Tachometer 16 A/C
Amp 17 Charge
Fuse - 5 amp 18 Fuel
Pump - Pin 1 19 Stop
Light switch 20 Cooling
Fan Relay 21 Ground 22 Na The four wires on the M2 connector.
And this is the M2 connector found at the base of the passenger rear strut
tower in the engine bay. Its grey and has four wires on the right hand plug, the
left plug is redundant. A thick black and a thick white - these are power feeds
for the fusebox and power for the rest of the cars power needs. These two wires
are joined to the thick black wires and white wires on the Camry loom and are
the same wires that go to the alternator power output and battery + on the
starter motor feed. The third wire on the M2 is a black with white stripe
starter motor energizer wire, this comes from the MK1s starter relay and needs
joining onto the black/red wire on the Camry loom for the starter motor. The
fourth wire on the M2 is a blue/black wire for the engine bay cooling fan and is
redundant. The cooling fan will need rewiring yourself in whatever way you like,
on with ignition or on a switch or connect it up through a temperature switch.
On the turbo mine runs constantly with ignition on.
With these basic power feeds and starter circuit connected up I temporarily
connected a battery up using jump leads in order to test the starter circuit.
The engine cranked over beautifully at the first time of asking not only proving
my starter wiring was correct but that my flywheel and starter spacer ring I had
made were spot on - if it didn’t engage properly I was looking at having to
remove the gearbox to rectify the problem. Getting it to turn over is one thing
but actually fire up and run is another, still its all going to plan so far. One
of the biggest problems I've got is my wiring diagrams. The ECU pinouts from my
Camry Haynes manual are all for US spec cars, I've found a lot of the ECU pins
are in different locations or missing altogether compared to my UK spec Camry so
I'm going to have to trace each and every wire to see what it does….oh joy!
Now as for actually joining wires together, you would be an idiot for
wrapping wires together and using tape, that’s a recipe for disaster, a
certain short circuit or electrical fire in years to come without a doubt. Those
blue plastic Scotch block connector things are also useless in my opinion, ok
for putting a radio in but even then I still think they are a nasty way of
joining wires. For me it has to be a soldered connection on every single wire,
that way you will be 100% sure it wont come apart over time. As for insulating
the connections, tape is fine if that’s all you have, just be sure that there
are no sharp bits of solder or stray wire on your connection or it will end up
poking through the tape and shorting onto something. The only way, for me, is
electrical shrink wrap, if you haven’t seen this stuff before its hollow
rubber tube that slides over your wire before you solder it, then when its
soldered you slide the tube over the join and then hold a cigarette lighter
under it for a few seconds…the heat instantly shrinks the rubber onto the
soldered joint leaving it totally sealed and waterproof, perfect….and the only
professional way to join wires as far as I'm concerned.
Above is the relevant wiring connections I've made to get it to the point
where I can turn the key. As per the disclaimer at the top of this day note that
the colour codes for my N1 connector wires may not be the same as other year MK1
NAs
Above is every connection made and all of the wiring wrapped back up again
with good quality insulating tape, you can see the N1 connector on the left and
4 inches to the right of that is all of my joins to the V6 harness. On the right
you can see the green circuit opening relay, this was in the dashboard of the
Camry so it had to be freshly wired in at the ecu instead, pretty easy. You can
see there's a few spare plugs containing maybe 10-15 wires per plug. These went
off to a multitude of things on the Camry like power steering ecu, ABS, air con
etc, etc, but simply aren’t used on a MK1 so they can be left as they are.
I've maybe got 8 wires on the last ecu plug (D) that aren’t connected, these
go to the auto gearbox plugs that aren’t connected to anything of course. Its
here that I may have to wire in a resistor or two if error codes come up.
Taking a brief break from the wiring I thought Id get round to making that
strut brace that would stiffen the bay back up… I wont go into detail as its
not V6 swap relat